Category: philosophy/religion topics
All right, so I have a serious question. Why do religious people argue that if the bible weren't true, that there wouldn't be fulfilled profecies? The bible was written by men, anyone can make up stories that came true. What exactly are profecies? What, if such exist, make them true? Can you proove that any such dreams has come true? I'm genuinely curious as to why you believe in such so called dream revelations
Milagros? People who believe in the bible say things like that because they feel that they need to explain away everything. They themselves don't have a clue as to how things work. the things people don't no how to expain, the fill in with creative nonsense. We don't know if thoughs stories are true. Nobody knows. And anyway, religion was invented as a way to frighten people to do whatever the government wanted them do. People want reassurance that there's something else at the end of this life. And about dream revelations. I'm not sure. What I think that is, it's a nother way of meditating. See all these people who claim that there religion is the true religion, they just following what other people say. especially christianity, look at how frightened it makes people. They don't like other religions, they are afraid of being overpowered. they make, so called profices to justify the unfairness of there religion. Think about it, if god was real, or the god they claim is real, then do you really believe that he'd come back for everyone?
I know those things as facts. Religion is frightening, I was a victom myself, but broke out. But I found it interesting because they make those arguements without basis, other than "God said so." Say who? Lol! He can't come back, because he doesn't exist. So he's never come. At least not here.
I was sick of getting up early on sunday mornings.
exactly. So was I. Probably half the world is. Of course they don't have any basis, there isn't any way they could. Why do you think they don't want anyone to think differently from others. Why do you think people like me, like you, they hate us. I'm a wiccan. A witch, if you will. Christianity has corrupted so many people, even priests themselves, that they don't even know what other religions are about. Thats why they believe things like that are bad. Ask anyone what a witch is millie. They will tell you that it has something to do with satan. A witch thoug, depending on what type you are, is just a person that is in harmony with nature.
A prophecy is yet another aspect of religion that I find to be misguiding, yet people who are religious follow this closely. Simply a prophecy is foretelling of what will happen. I don't know if this is the case for other Christian groups but I know that the Mormons have a proffit, and he is supposed to inform all the Mormon churches of what God tells him, and what people need to expect to happen. On top of not having strong proof that there is a God, you have to believe what one person says that God is saying? I find it astonishing that so many followers are picked up by this.
But what's upsetting is that they don't even allow the possibillitty of change of mind or of difference of opinion. Research, and so forth. I understand what profecies ar., but I hope to get the point of a religious person, to see if I can actually understand why such narrowminded view. Note, not the people themselves, but the actual concept
no, a prophecy is what someone thinks is going to happen. you cant know for certain what will hapen. even if your intuision is grate and whatnot, nobody, not even a prophesional futureteller or tarrot reader can prophecy anything.
Actually, you defined a prediction. A prediction and a profecy are not the same thing, though a bit similar. They both have to do with "knowing" what will happen. But noone has ever known what will happen, ever. A profecy is more of an assurance that something will occur, based on revelations given by the divine, or god, in dreams. These dreams came to special people called profets, well, acording to this 2000+ page book. Yet a prediction is a guess. Interestingly enough, though, believers in such profetic events think it's enough to base their faith.
I can't answer your question, but I always laugh at people who claim the bible has predictions and prophecies. If you ever read any of them, they are the most vaguely worded things ever, anything could fit them. Nostradomus is even worse. Anyone who thinks that guy wrote prophecies must have gotten hit in the head with a hammer.
I've read them all, and they make absolutely no scence. The sad thing is that you can't question them.
In reply to the first post.
Prophecy, as was supposed to be understood in Biblical times, was like a guarantee for the Jews that god would never forsake them.
It is alleged that he sent forth prophets, such as Ezekiel and Noah, to warn or inform the masses. This was supposed to be proof to them of his trustworthiness and faithfulness, and evidence of his power. These prophets simply acted as a voice for god, the words they spoke were not their own. He also instructed his people to test the prophecy, so that when a man came into their midst claiming this or that was said by god, they could know whether it was false or true.
In the New Testament, however, prophecy changed somewhat, when Jesus is said to have entered the world and fulfilled many prophecies that were given about his childhood and ministry, and many other events during and after his life. Thus He became the fulfillment of the Old Testament.
Many scholars defend the validity of prophecy. For example, some claim that the Old Testament is full of prophecies that speak of Jesus, they detail his birth, his ministry, and his death and resurrection. In their opinion, the world cannot ignore the fact that so many details were given by god about the life of one single person many years before said person even existed, and that these things also came true, hence, such an argument cannot and must not be overlooked. These prophets lived in different parts of that ancient world, at different times, and many had no knowledge of one another, yet all spoke of this same person, that is, Jesus. They believe many books of the Bible were preserved for thousands of years in some desert cave, and were eventually discovered in our modern times. Thus these books are intact and reliable and testify to the validity of the Bible as an ancient book.
These scholars claim that the prophets foretold his betrayal, how the executioners would gamble for his robe, and how he would be stabbed. These words were written hundreds and even thousands of years beforehand, according to these scholars. It is also claimed that the last words he allegedly spoke were actual scriptural quotations.
Critics argue that the New Testament was written afterward, and thus someone – an individual or a group – simply fabricated the events surrounding Jesus’ life. They say the same thing about the prophecies regarding Old Testament times; in other words, someone living after the Babylonian Kingdom was conquered simply wrote about it, and thus Daniel’s prophecy to the king cannot be taken seriously. They doubt that people living in New Testament times ever came across a man named Jesus, that he was manufactured by a cult.
Believers commonly say that Jesus allegedly said to those of his generation that miracles he performed should not be depended upon as a sign from god, and he would also rebuke those who asked him to perform a miracle. He pointed to prophecies in the Old Testament as a more truer proof of his claims. An epistle from one of the apostles also states that the word of prophecy is surer and truer because it comes from god. They seem to promote the idea that only god can know the future, and only he could ever give so many clear details about his plans.
It is also argued that so-called fortunetellers or magicians or those dealing in occult practices, as was the case in Biblical times, cannot know the future in all its clarity. They can know the past to a certain point, but fail miserably when it comes to foreseeing future events.
Basically, one group believes that the scriptures are the word of god, and that everything happened exactly as documented in those books, the other group denies it. Neither side can prove 100% that they are correct. The arguments and evidence they present can be convincing, but which side you ultimately choose is totally up to you.
What I’ve written here does not reflect my beliefs. This is simply a small portion of what I know about the controversy, stuff I’ve learned from the 3 or 4 books that have come into my possession over the years. A religious person more familiar with the subject could surely do a better job, and provide more adequate and informative answers.
Feel free to correct me where you think I’ve erred.